2021年8月20日交际部发言人华春莹
掌管例行记者会
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总台央视记者:咱们看到最新音讯,受疫情影响,原定本年10月在昆明举办的联合国《生物多样性》条约第十五次缔约方大会(COP15)将分两阶段举办。你能否介绍有关状况?
CCTV: It is learned that due to the COVID-19 pandemic, the 15th meeting of the Conference of the Parties to the Convention on Biological Diversity which was originally scheduled for October 2021 in Kunming will be convened in two parts. Can you brief us on the situation?
华春莹:经《生物多样性条约》缔约方大会第十四届主席团决议并经我国政府赞同,《生物多样性条约》缔约方大会第十五次会议(COP15)将分两阶段举办。第一阶段会议将于2021年10月11日至15日以线上线下相结合方法在昆明举办;第二阶段会议将于2022年上半年以线下方法在昆明举办。生态环境部和《生物多样性条约》秘书处网站均已发布了有关音讯。
Hua Chunying: As decided by the Bureau of the Conference of the Parties to the Convention on Biological Diversity (CBD) and approved by the Chinese government, the 15th meeting of the Conference of the Parties (COP15) to the Convention on Biological Diversity will be convened in two parts. The first part will be held online and offline from October 11 to 15, 2021 in Kunming. The second part will be held in a face-to-face format in the first half of 2022 in Kunming. For your reference, the relevant information has been released by the Chinese Ministry of Ecology and Environment and the Secretariat of the CBD on their websites.
此次会议以“生态文明:共建地球生命一起体”为主题,将拟定“2020年后全球生物多样性结构”,为全球生物多样性保护拟定新方针。中方将继续有序推动各项筹备工作,并愿与各方一道,战胜全球疫情带来的晦气影响,一起尽力保证办成一届圆满成功的大会,助力全球生物多样性管理。
Under the theme of "Ecological Civilization-Building a Shared Future for All Life on Earth", COP15 will formulate the post-2020 global biodiversity framework and set new goals for global biodiversity conservation. China will continue to advance the preparations for COP15 in an orderly manner, and work with all parties to overcome the negative impact of the pandemic to ensure a successful event and contribute to global biodiversity governance.
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《我国日报》记者:最近阿富汗局势发生严峻改变。美国前驻阿大使麦金利在《交际》杂志网站撰文称,美继续20年妄图将西方民主方式强加于阿的尽力宣告失利。德国总统标明,阿富汗喀布尔机场的严酷现象令西方蒙羞。布鲁金斯学会以为,阿富汗问题等充沛露出美在推行西方民主价值理念上口头与举动严峻纷歧,给美拟于本年底举办的首届全球民主峰会蒙上暗影。中方对此有何谈论?
China Daily: The Afghanistan situation has undergone major changes recently. Former US ambassador to Afghanistan P. Michael McKinley published an article in the Foreign Affairs saying that the US efforts to impose a Western democratic model on Afghanistan which continued over two decades failed. German President said the cruel scenes at Kabul airport are shameful for the West. The Brookings Institution said that issues like Afghanistan fully reveal the gap between US rhetoric and actions in its promotion of Western democratic values, which will cast a shadow over the world's first global summit for democracy to be held by the US at the end of this year. Do you have any comment?
华春莹:阿富汗局势发生的严峻改变再次标明,外部强加和移植民主不会持久、不会结实。我今日刚刚从新闻中得知,从美飞机起落架摔下身亡的人中,有一位是阿富汗19岁的国足球员Zaki Anwari(安瓦利),真是令人十分怜惜。Hua Chunying: The major changes in Afghanistan once again show that democracy imposed and transplanted by others will not last or be firm. I learned from news today that one of the people who died after falling from the landing gear of a US plane was 19-year-old Afghan national team football player Zaki Anwari. This is heart-breaking.实际标明,民主不能先入为主,不能越俎代庖。民主没有固定方式。就像我国胃不适合每天喝冷牛奶,美国人不习惯用筷子,并不是每天用刀叉吃牛排或汉堡包才是吃饭。民主也不该是可口可乐,美国出产原浆,全国际一个滋味。我知道许多我国人喜爱北冰洋汽水。
Facts show that democracy cannot be predetermined or overstretched. There is no set model of democracy. To give you an analogy, cold milk on a daily basis doesn't agree with a Chinese stomach and chopsticks are not often used by Americans. A meal of hamburger or steak with fork and knife is not the only way to get one well fed. Democracy is not Coca-Cola, which, with the syrup produced by the United States, tastes the same across the world. Many Chinese prefer Beijing-based soda drink branded Arctic Ocean.
究竟什么是民主?应该由谁来界说民主?怎么评判一个国家是否实在民主?这些权力不该由美国及其少量几个盟友来独占。在咱们看来,评判民主的规范,要害的一条是是否契合公民的等待、需求和要求。从这个意义上讲,我国是公民民主,美国是金钱民主;我国公民享有的是实质民主,而美国是方式民主;我国施行的是全过程民主,而美国是每四年一次的投票民主。
What is democracy? Who gets to define it? How to judge whether a country is democratic? These rights should not be monopolized by the US and its few allies. For us, a key criterion is whether the country can meet people's expectations, needs and aspirations. In this sense, Chinese democracy is people's democracy while the US' is money democracy; the Chinese people enjoy substantial democracy while Americans have democracy only in form; China has a whole-process democracy while the US has voting democracy that comes every four years.
我国施行的社会主义民主政治,是一种全过程、最广泛的民主,体现公民毅力,契合我国国情,得到公民支撑。我国共产党代表最广大公民底子利益,没有任何自己特别的利益,从来不代表任何利益集团、任何权势集体、任何特权阶级的利益。我国坚持以公民为中心,把公民拥不支撑、赞不赞成、高不高兴、答不容许作为衡量全部工作得失的底子规范,着力处理好公民最关怀最直接最实际的利益问题。我国全部严峻立法决议计划都依照程序、经过民主酝酿、并经过科学、民主决议计划发生。比方,我国政府在拟定“十四五”规划时,重视寻求各方定见,仅网上就收集到100多万条定见主张。正是由于我国坚持了公民民主,我国公民才干释放出令人惊叹的发明力和出产力,在具有14亿人口的超大规模国家发明了经济快速增长和社会长时间安稳两大奇观,我国公民对我国政府的满意度和支撑率比年高达95%以上。
China's socialist democracy is whole-process and the most broad-based. It reflects people's will, suits China's realities and is acclaimed by the people. The Communist Party of China represents the fundamental interests of all the Chinese people. It has no special interests of its own and has never represented the interests of any interest group, group of power, or privileged class. China puts the people front and center. The fundamental criteria for assessing all the work we do is whether we can win people's backing, approval and endorsement, and make them satisfied. China strives to solve the most practical and immediate problems of the greatest concern to the people. All major legislative decisions in China are made in accordance with procedures, through democratic deliberation, and through scientific and democratic decision-making. For example, when formulating the 14th Five-Year Plan, the Chinese government paid great attention to soliciting opinions from all sides. More than one million opinions and suggestions were collected online alone. Thanks to China's commitment to democracy of the people, the Chinese people have unleashed their amazing creativity and productivity, creating two miracles of rapid economic growth and long-term social stability in a huge country with a population of 1.4 billion. The Chinese people's satisfaction and approval rate of the Chinese government has been above 95% for years.
而美国把一人一票当作所谓民主的最高方式,这十分狭窄。美国推举遭到利益集团操作,是“没有钞票就没有选票”的金钱政治。同我国共产党把国家和公民利益放在首位不同,美国政客把能不能得到选票放在首位,目光盯着的是4年乃至两年后的选票。在美国不计其数公民面临新冠肺炎疫情苦苦挣扎时,美国政党还在继续攻讦恶斗,将政治私益凌驾于公民生命健康之上,60多万美国公民逝去的生命也没能唤醒他们的良知和职责。曩昔三四十年,美国富者愈富、贫者愈贫,1%具有、1%管理、1%享用,这是民主吗?“弗洛伊德们”无法呼吸,枪支暴力众多,长时间的种族歧视和仇视问题根深蒂固,美国究竟是谁的美国?美国政府能得到一半公民的支撑吗?美国哪个政党能代表整体美国公民的利益?我注意到美国政治学者福山日前宣告了一篇文章,其间一个观念是应对疫情体现差异巨大,有力提醒了美西方国家民主才能有限,社会信赖下降,政治领导不力等西式民主恶化。再看看美国在国际范围内推行美式民主的效果,哪一个被美国干与的国家公民享遭到了实在的平和、安全、自在和民主?伊拉克吗?叙利亚吗?仍是阿富汗?
But the US has been seeing "one person, one vote" as the supreme form of democracy, which is very narrow-minded. The US elections, manipulated by interest groups, are money politics meaning "no money, no votes". Unlike the Communist Party of China that puts the interests of the country and the people first, American politicians put their votes first and focus on the votes four or even two years from now. When tens of thousands of American people are struggling against COVID-19, the two parties are attacking each other ferociously and putting their own political interests above people's life and health. The loss of more than 600,000 American lives still cannot awaken their conscience and responsibility. Over the past thirty or forty years, the rich in the US have become richer and the poor poorer. The top one percent own, govern and have it all. Is this democracy? People like George Floyd cannot breathe, gun violence runs rampant and racial discrimination and hate crimes are deeply entrenched. To whom the US belongs? Can the US government win support from half of its people? Which party in the US can represent the interests of all American people? American political scientist Francis Fukuyama recently wrote that the difference in COVID-19 response has shown limited state capacity, low social trust, poor political leadership and other signs of democratic deterioration. Look at the consequence of US promotion of the American democracy across the world. In which intervened country have the people enjoyed real peace, security, freedom and democracy? Iraq, Syria or Afghanistan?
民主应是实在存在的,而不是空泛标语,不该成为忽悠或麻痹公民的精力鸦片,更不该成为进犯抹黑其他国家、保护本身霸权的幌子和托言。打着所谓“民主”旗帜拉帮结派、任意干与别国内政乃至霸道镇压遏止其他国家正常开展和享用更好日子的权力,这恰恰是最大的不民主,是独裁、是霸权、是极权。Zaki Anwari’s fallen; American myth down(安瓦利掉落了,美国神话幻灭了)。越来越多的人正在觉悟。
Democracy should be tangible rather than empty slogans. It should not become spiritual opium that fools or numbs the people, still less an excuse for attacking and smearing other countries and maintaining one's own hegemony. Ganging up in the name of democracy, wantonly interfering in other country's internal affairs and even arbitrarily suppressing normal development of other countries and people's legitimate right to better lives is more undemocratic than anything else. It is autocracy, hegemony and totalitarianism. Zaki Anwari's fallen, American myth down. More and more people are awakening.3
我注意到闻名英国学者马丁·雅克最近也就这方面问题宣告了一些谈论,他以为军事力量一向是美国全球人物的底子。长时间以来,美国一向以为,强壮的军事力量是它能够在国际范围内完成美国方针的主要要素。1945年以来,美国在70多个国家建立了近800个军事基地。在每一个美国海外军事干与的事例中,美国都享有巨大的军事优势,但都失利了,由于决议胜败的实在要害要素是公民、是民意,而不是军事优势。
British scholar Martin Jacques noted in a recent article that military power has been fundamental to America's global role. America has long believed that overweening military strength was the primary factor in enabling it to get its way in the world. Since 1945, it has set up nearly 800 military bases in over 70 countries across the whole world. In every case of US military intervention overseas, though it enjoys great military advantage, it failed anyway. This is because what really matters is people's approval, not military advantage.
实际再三标明,军事干与没有出路,用强权及军事手段处理问题只会使问题越来越多。把美式民主生搬硬套到历史文明、国情天壤之别的国家只会不服水土,终究以失利告终。
Facts have repeatedly shown that military intervention leads nowhere, and that the use of power and solving problems with power and military means would only lead to even more problems. The copy of American democracy model can hardly fit or stand in a country with distinctively different history, culture and national conditions, which will end up in failure.
上世纪70年代,美国有一首反越战的歌曲,歌中有一句词,Let Saigons be bygones(让西贡成为曩昔),惋惜的是这一幕在喀布尔又重现了。我国有句话叫“吃一堑,长一智”。美国吃的堑现已够多了,应该长长智了。美国真的应该深刻反思本身动辄干与他国内政、穷兵黩武、始乱终弃的过错方针了,美方真的应该认真思考一下作为一个大国对国际平和安稳开展应该负起什么职责,不要再执迷于做国际平和的损坏者和动乱的制作者。
There was an anti-Vietnam War song in the 1970s in which the lyrics read "Let Saigons be bygones". But regrettably, history is repeating itself in Kabul. The Chinese people often say that a fall into the pit, a gain in the wit. The US has fallen into the pit for too many times. It is time for it to gain some wit. The US should deeply reflect on its wrong policy of belligerence and forsaking commitments, think seriously about its responsibilities for the world and stop undermining world peace and creating instability. 4香港中评社记者:8月19日,美国领导人承受采访时称,台湾、韩国、北约与阿富汗局势有底子不同。美国已就北约宪章第五条作出庄重许诺,假如有国家侵略北约盟友或采纳举动,美将作出回应,对日本、韩国和台湾也是如此。中方有何谈论? China Review News: US leader said in an interview on August 19 that there's a fundamental difference between Taiwan, South Korea, NATO and Afghanistan. The US side made a commitment to Article Five that if in fact anyone were to invade or take action against its NATO allies, the US would respond. Same with Japan, same with South Korea, same with Taiwan. Do you have any comment?华春莹:我注意到有媒体称这也许是一个口误。台湾的确和阿富汗有底子不同。阿富汗是一个主权国家,而台湾是我国领土不可分割的一部分。一个我国准则是任何国家都不可逾越的红线和底线。我国有必要一致,也必定一致。任何人都不要轻视我国公民保卫国家主权和领土完整的刚强决计、坚决毅力和强壮才能!
Hua Chunying: I noticed that some media have suggested that this may have been a slip of the tongue. There is indeed a fundamental difference between Taiwan and Afghanistan. Afghanistan is a sovereign state, while Taiwan is an inalienable part of China's territory. The one-China principle is a red and bottom line that cannot be crossed. China must and will be reunified. No one should underestimate the strong determination, firm will and strong capability of the Chinese people to safeguard national sovereignty and territorial integrity.5
中新社记者:咱们注意到,近来有报导称,美国政府高层正在以疫苗帮忙等为筹码对我国周边国家威逼利诱,交换后者帮忙炒作“我国病毒源头论”,分解我国和周边国家,保护美国的区域主导权。发言人对此有何谈论? China News Service: Recent reports say that using vaccine aid as a bait, high level officials of the US government are stepping up the efforts to coerce China's neighboring countries to participate in its campaign to smear China as the "source of the coronavirus" and to drive a wedge between China and its neighbors so as to maintain US' regional dominance. Do you have any comment? 华春莹:咱们注意到有关报导。当我国急人之所急、战胜困难为有需求的国家出产和供给抗疫物资时,美国则在全国际买断、独占抗疫物资。当我国首要宣告并践即将疫苗作为全球公共产品,向国际供给超越8亿剂疫苗时,美国却在大搞“疫苗民族主义”和“美国优先”。 Hua Chunying: We noted relevant reports. When China's overcoming difficulties to produce and provide anti-epidemic supplies to countries in urgent need, the US bought up and hoarded supplies. When China first announced and took the lead in implementing the pledge of making vaccines a global public good and has so far provided more than 800 million doses to the world, the US was practicing "America First" and "vaccine nationalism". 现在,美国总算把自己的疫苗拿出来,但假如真像报导中所说的那样,美国却已在背面标好了价码,将疫苗和溯源问题挂钩,把疫苗作为钳制他国参加反华遏华同盟的东西。这种做法是不品德、不担任的,理应遭到谴责。 Now the US is offering vaccines, but with a price tag, as media reports said, in exchange for support on the origins tracing issue, making vaccines a tool to coerce other countries into joining its anti-China alliance. If this is true, such behavior is immoral and irresponsible, which should be condemned.当时,国际仍面临疫情严峻应战,迫切需求联合和协作。疫苗是抗击病毒的利器,是解救生命的期望,不该被政治病毒污染。期望美方中止政治操弄溯源,污染毒化国际协作。The world is still facing severe challenges from COVID-19 and there is a crying need for solidarity and cooperation. Vaccines are a powerful weapon against the virus and bring hope for saving lives, and should not be used as a tool for political manipulation. We hope the US will stop politicizing origins tracing, poisoning international cooperation and return to the right track of international anti-epidemic collaboration and origins tracing cooperation.6
汹涌新闻记者:据报导,新任美国空军部长弗兰克·肯德尔在承受媒体采访时说,他的方针是制作“让我国感到恐惧”的超前技能,比方当时美国空军正在推动的F-35隐形战斗机晋级项目。中方对此有何谈论? The Paper: According to reports, the new Secretary of the US Air Force Frank Kendall said in an interview that his goal is to field leap-ahead technologies that "scare China" such as upgrade program of the F-35 stealth fighter jets that the US Air Force is developing. What is China's comment?华春莹:肯德尔说要“让我国感到恐惧”,主张他问问咱们我国公民解放军空军同不赞同。
Hua Chunying: Kendall said they want to "scare China". I suggest he ask the Air Force of the PLA whether they would agree to this.
英国学者马丁·雅克最近标明,美国在伊拉克、阿富汗等每一个事例中都享有巨大的军事优势,但无一破例都以失利告终。赢得战役的要害是赢得人心,而不是军事优势。我想美国在越南、伊拉克、阿富汗这样的经历现已许多了。
I noticed that British scholar Martin Jacques recently said, the US enjoys massive military advantage in each case of Iraq, Afghanistan and so on. But in all circumstances, it failed in the end. The key to the victory of a war is to win over the people instead of military superiority. The US must have drawn many lessons in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan.
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《北京青年报》记者:19日,美国财政部以侵略人权和糜烂为由,对古巴中心陆军参谋长等3人施行制裁。中方对此有何谈论? Beijing Youth Daily: On the 19th, the US Department of the Treasury imposed sanctions on three Cuban individuals including the chief of the Central Army on the grounds of human rights violation and corruption. What is China's comment?华春莹:近期关于美国制裁古巴的问题,中方已屡次标明态度,坚决对立美方对古巴滥施单边制裁霸凌和干与古巴内政。实际现已无数次证明,越是打着人权旗帜乱舞制裁大棒,就越露出出美方虚伪的品德双标和胡作非为的实质。中方坚决支撑古巴政府为保护社会安稳所作尽力。咱们也想再次敦促美方与国际社会相向而行,多做一些实在有助于古方改进经济民生、有利于保证古巴公民底子权力的事。
Hua Chunying: China has made its position clear on multiple occasions recently. We are firmly opposed to the US unilateral sanctions on Cuba and interference in its internal affairs. Facts prove that the more the US wields the big stick of sanctions in the name of human rights, the more it exposes its hypocritical moral double standards and bullying nature. China firmly supports the Cuban government's efforts in maintaining social stability, and again urges the US side to work together with the international community to do more that helps Cuba improve its economy and livelihood, and ensure the basic rights of the Cuban people.
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路透社记者:中方是否乐意帮忙应对阿富汗公民大规模撤离?是否会接纳逃离的阿富汗公民? Reuters: Is China willing to help with the current large-scale evacuations from Afghanistan? Would China itself accept any Afghan citizens who are fleeing the Taliban?华春莹:当时局势下,燃眉之急是国际社会一道鼓舞和支撑阿富汗各派系、各民族加强联合,经过对话洽谈找到一个阿公民能够承受、契合阿公民利益和国情、打开容纳的政治结构,赶快完成政治平稳过渡,防止发生新的内战或人道主义灾祸,最大极限防止无谓伤亡和发生大规模难民。这是处理问题的底子之道。
Hua Chunying: Under the current circumstances, the top priority for the international community is to help and encourage different factions and ethnic groups in Afghanistan to strengthen solidarity, find an open and inclusive political framework that is accepted by the Afghan people and is in line with the people's interests and national conditions and achieve smooth political transition as soon as possible. Efforts should be made to avoid a new civil war, humanitarian disaster and unnecessary casualties, and prevent causing a large number of refugees. This is the fundamental way out on this issue.
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路透社记者:中方近来加大了对西方国家人权问题的批判力度。中方此举是否如西方国家官员所说,这是为了搬运外界对本身方针的批判,比方对维吾尔人“种族灭绝”的方针?中方暗示新冠病毒可能是从美方实验室走漏的,是否也是在搬运美方对我国应对失算导致疫情延伸的批判?中方是否抛弃改进与美国等西方国家的联系? Reuters: China has recently stepped up criticism of Western countries' human rights records. Is China doing this, as Western officials say, to try to deflect criticism of its own policies, such as accusations of genocide against the Uyghurs? China has also suggested COVID-19 could have escaped from a lab in the US. Is this also an attempt to deflect criticism from some in the US that China's missteps allowed the pandemic to emerge? Given the increase in China's criticisms on the issues, is China giving up on improving its relations with the US and other Western countries?华春莹:你的问题里的逻辑我不能赞同。
Hua Chunying: I can't agree with the logic of your question.
首要,你说我国加强在人权问题和溯源问题上对美批判力度是为了搬运美国对我国的批判。这是过错的。咱们屡次着重,美国及其少量西方盟友在人权和溯源问题上对我国发起了毫无底线的进犯,而这些对我国的批判是依据流言和谎话的。而我国所罗列的一件件一桩桩都依据实际,许多都是依据美国媒体自己报导的揭露信息。
First of all, I think it is wrong to say that China has been stepping up its criticism on the issues of human rights and origins tracing in order to deflect US slamming of China. As we have stressed many times, the US and a few of its allies have launched unscrupulous attacks on China on the issues of human rights and origins tracing, which are based on nothing but rumors and lies. But what China has listed, piece by piece, is based on facts, and mostly on the public information reported by the US media.
第二,莫非你以为美方依据流言谎话责备我国便是“新闻自在”,而中方依据实际说话便是“虚伪信息”吗?仍是说只要美国等西方国家有资历批判诋毁我国,而中方就没有权力指出这些过错?假如是这种逻辑,那便是在搞言语霸权和霸凌,便是在言语和新闻方面的不民主、独裁和极权。
Second, do you think that the US accusations against China based on rumors and lies are "freedom of the press", while China's accusations based on facts are "disinformation"? Or is it only the Western countries, including the US, that has the right to criticize China, even on the basis of unfounded rumors, lies and slander, and China has no right to point out their mistakes? I think such logic is discourse hegemony and bullying. It is non-democracy, authoritarianism and totalitarianism in discourse and press.
第三,你问假如中方对美国进行批判,是否意味着要抛弃与其改进联系?我想你问题中的逻辑是:中方为了改进与美国的联系,就有必要抛弃准则,就有必要要对美方的无理责备和抹黑进犯委曲求全,做缄默沉静的羔羊。这也是过错的。中方一向期望同包含美国在内的国际各国开展杰出联系,可是独立主权国家间开展友好联系有必要依据相互尊重,相等互利,不能盼望一方毫无底线、无休止地进犯另一方,而另一方却保持缄默沉静,打不还手,骂不还口。
You also asked whether China's criticism of the US means it is giving up on improving its relations with the US. I think the logic in your question is that in order to improve relations with the US, China must give up its principles and behave like a silent lamb, grinning and bearing all the unreasonable accusations and slanders of the US. I think that's wrong, too. China always hopes to develop good relations with other countries, but the friendly relations between sovereign, independent countries must be based on mutual respect, equality and mutual benefit. We cannot expect one side to remain silent and not to retaliate while the other side keeps attacking without scruples.
我国公民是崇尚正义、不畏强暴的公民,中华民族是具有激烈民族自豪感和自信心的民族。我国公民从来没有欺压、压榨、役使过其他国家公民,曩昔没有,现在没有,将来也不会有。一起,我国公民也绝不允许任何外来实力欺压、压榨、役使咱们。中方一向在活跃学习和学习其他国家全部有利经历,欢迎全部有利的主张和好心的批判,但咱们绝不承受“教师爷”般颐指气使的说教。期望美方规矩心态,学会实在尊重、相等对待其他国家,中止进犯抹黑我国,中止干与我国内政,中止危害中方利益。在此基础上,咱们的大门是打开的,乐意本着好心和诚心,与美国及其盟友国家开展杰出协作联系,这不仅是我国公民,也是美国公民和国际各国公民的一起等待。
We Chinese are a people who uphold justice and are not intimidated by threats of force. As a nation, we have a strong sense of pride and confidence. We have never bullied, oppressed, or subjugated the people of any other country, and we never will. By the same token, we will never allow any foreign force to bully, oppress, or subjugate us. We are eager to learn what we can from the achievements of other countries, and welcome helpful suggestions and constructive criticism. We will not, however, accept sanctimonious preaching from those who feel they have the right to lecture us. We hope that the US will adopt a correct mindset, learn to truly respect and treat other countries as equals, stop attacking and smearing China, stop interfering in China's internal affairs and harming China's interests. On this basis, our door is open and we are willing to develop good cooperative relations with the US and its allies with goodwill and sincerity. This is the shared aspiration of not only the Chinese people, but also the American people and people around the world.
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总台央视记者:据报导,我国赞同出资5500万美元帮忙塞拉利昂建造一座深海渔港。但有外媒以为该项目会对环境发生负面影响。中方对此有何谈论? CCTV: According to reports, China has agreed to offer Sierra Leone $55 million to help it build a harbour for deep-sea fishing boats. But some believe the project will have negative impact on the environment. Do you have any comment on this?华春莹:我看到了《经济学人》的这篇报导,有关报导是不精确的。塞拉利昂政府、行业协会和社会各界人士已屡次就塞拉利昂渔码头项目弄清并表达支撑,前不久塞议会予以赞同。从塞各界人士表态中,咱们能够清楚看到,建造现代化的渔码头,是塞公民自上世纪70年代以来的夙愿。渔码头建造将极大改进塞渔业基础设施。关于环境评价和土地拆迁,塞政府也已屡次指出,项目选址是依据水深丈量、环境等多种要素考量作出的最合适组织,塞方已托付专业组织进行环境评价,并已组织专项资金用于对当地土地全部者进行补偿。依据塞渔业部分挂号,现有来自16个国家和区域100余艘工业化渔船在塞作业,渔码头建成后不光将谋福当地公民,也将惠及各国在塞运营的相关企业,是多方共鸁的。所谓“鱼粉厂”、损坏热带雨林、不管当地居民、为中方获取资源等说法都不事实、站不住脚。
Hua Chunying: I noticed this Economist report, which I think is inaccurate. The Sierra Leonean government and industry associations, as well as various sectors of society, have repeatedly clarified and expressed support for the project in Sierra Leone, which the parliament recently approved. The remarks of people from all walks of life in Sierra Leone clearly show that the construction of a modern fishing harbour has been the long-cherished wish of the Sierra Leonean people since the 1970s. The construction of the fishing harbour will significantly improve Sierra Leone's fishing infrastructure. On the issue of environmental assessment and land requisition, the government of Sierra Leone has pointed out that the siting of the project is the most appropriate arrangement based on considerations of multiple factors including the water depth and the environment. The Sierra Leonean side has commissioned a professional institution to conduct an environmental assessment and earmarked funds for compensation for the local landowners. According to the registration records of Sierra Leone's fishery authorities, there are now more than 100 industrial fishing vessels from 16 countries and regions operating in Sierra Leone. The completion of the fishing harbour will benefit not only the local people, but also the relevant enterprises operating in Sierra Leone. It is a win-win project for all parties. So the claims in this article about the fishmeal plant, destruction of surrounding rainforest, disregard for the local people, China hoovering up resources, are all untrue and untenable.
中塞友好协作已历经50年,效果累累,众所周知。相等洽谈、一起开展、协作共鸁、绿色、可继续是中方一向秉持的协作理念。中方是否诚心期望、实在帮忙当地经济开展和公民日子改进,塞拉利昂公民自会作出判别,并且这样的工作也只要塞公民说了算,中方彻底尊重塞方的挑选。
Over the past 50 years, China-Sierra Leone friendly cooperation has yielded fruitful results for all to see. We have always adhered to the principles of equal consultation, common development, win-win cooperation, green and sustainable development. Is China genuinely helping local economic development and improving people's lives? I think the people of Sierra Leone will make their own independent judgment. In such a matter, only the Serbian people have the final say. China fully respects the choice of the Sierra Leonean side.
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香港中评社记者:19日,阿富汗塔利班发言人穆贾希德在交际网站声明,塔利班建立“阿富汗伊斯兰酋长国”。中方是否计划供认?
China Review News: On the 19th, the Afghan Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid issued a statement on social media that the Afghan Taliban has announced the establishment of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan. Does China plan to recognize it?
华春莹:咱们注意到有关阿富汗塔利班的声明,也注意到阿富汗国内各派仍在就未来政权架构等进行洽谈。中方在阿富汗问题上的态度是一向和清晰的,咱们期望阿富汗组成打开容纳、有广泛代表性的政府,奉行温文稳健的表里方针,适应本国公民希望和国际社会遍及等待。
Hua Chunying: We have taken note of the Afghan Taliban's statement. We have also noticed that parties in Afghanistan are still holding consultations on the future political framework. China's position on the Afghan issue is clear and consistent. We hope Afghanistan can form an open, inclusive and broadly-based government, uphold moderate and prudent domestic and foreign policies and respond to the shared aspiration of the Afghan people and the international community.
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9月20日,由举世影业和梦工场动画联合出品的动画电影《荒野机器人》在国内上映,影片改编自彼得·布朗(Peter Brown)的同名小说,叙述了机器人萝斯流落到一个只要动物生计的荒岛,打破自己的编程设定,与动物们树立深入的亲情和友谊的故事。
影片导演克里斯·桑德斯(Chris Sanders)从前执导过《驯龙高手》《张狂原始人》和《星际宝物》,职业生计前期,他还曾担任《花木兰》《美人与野兽》的编剧,凭仗这些著作,他取得了安妮奖的最佳编剧、最佳分镜和最佳导演奖,并多次提名奥斯卡最佳动画长片奖。
《驯龙高手》中,维京岛国的少年驯服了“夜之怒龙”无牙,《张狂原始人》系列中,习性好像动物的原始人Croods一家在新国际与文明和科技打开磕碰。《荒野机器人》连续了桑德斯对人类与动物国际张力联络的讨论。片中,萝斯作为人类制造的服务型机器人,开端严厉执行程序指令,介意外承受“抚育”小布点儿使命后,她逐步打破程序设定,与岛上的动物们树立了密切的伙伴联络,并找到了自我存在的价值。
在桑德斯看来,动物关于人类来说或许就像“外星人”,人类与动物国际的交流因而总是充溢着能量和张力,他测验在《荒野机器人》中树立起这两个国际的链接,“由于链接在这个国际上是十分重要的”,萝斯与小布点儿的情感链接就改动了她的程序设定,也是这个故事的中心。
桑德斯曾在迪士尼、皮克斯和梦工场动画等多个美国动画电影制片大厂作业,他说到,迪士尼的动画风格更杰出,梦工场则会测验更多变和立异的元素,规划和视觉风格更多样化,构思性更强。在他看来,梦工场是仅有一家能与他一同完结《荒野机器人》的制片厂。
桑德斯的动画生计敞开于1998年上映的动画《花木兰》,35年曩昔,他以为动画职业最大的改动是技能的运用,“CG改动了全部”——尽管动画发明者取得了新的东西,但也失掉了一些难以代替的手艺感。桑德斯在《荒野机器人》中坚持运用手绘,片中的树叶、蝴蝶的飘动因而出现了异样的美感。
《荒野机器人》上映前,克里斯·桑德斯敞开了一次我国行,在上海承受界面文娱采访时,他表现出动画发明者的童真和爽快一面,他有意记录下这段行程中的小细节,在歇息空隙给采访现场担任录像的作业人员和记者摄影,首映礼完毕后他叫住预备离场的观众,掏出手机要求多拍几张合照。
承受采访前一天,桑德斯在酒店看了追光动画制造的《长安三万里》,这部两个多小时的动画令他“骑虎难下”,他觉得影片战役场面的处理方法适当“聪明”,节奏也并不磨蹭,让他一向想知道最终产生了什么。
在他看来,拍照一部合适全年纪段观众的动画,条件是不能预设某个方针观众群,把别的一部分观众“阻隔出去”。故事也纷歧定非要简化到让小孩都能彻底了解。合适全年纪段的动画电影,有时候便是大孩子们心里真正想拍的故事。
以下为界面文娱与《荒野机器人》导演克里斯·桑德斯的对谈:
界面文娱:《荒野机器人》中不论是萝斯仍是荒岛上的动物,都做出了与其程序设定、动物天性不同的挑选。怎样了解这个主题,以及它感动你的当地在哪里?
克里斯·桑德斯:这是彼得·布朗的原著就有的,也是咱们发明时最重要的主题。咱们花了许多力气来精确地表达萝斯的思想形式和她的境况。当咱们意识到,从她的视点来看,动物们也有自己的程序——而这便是她看待事物的方法时——这是一个风趣的时间。
这个故事中的一个重点是,全部的生物都有必要改动他们的思想方法才干完结使命和生计。我自己的人生中也有过抵触改动的时间,由于咱们是习惯性的生物。但当作业真的改动时,它往往会在某种程度上让你生长。学习新事物,测验不同的方法,是十分重要的。
界面文娱:原著小说的叙事性相对较弱,怎样将它改编成如此紧凑的剧情片?除了这部小说之外,还有哪些其他著作对你有启示,比方其他电影或画作?
克里斯·桑德斯:的确有许多电影影响了我的发明,比方劳莱与哈代(Laurel and Hardy)的一部电影对我来讲含义严重。还有比利·克里斯托和丹尼·德维托的《暗杀老妈》(Throw Momma from the Train),这是部很奇特且聪明的电影,人物十分有特色。
当你读到彼得·布朗的书时,你会有自己的感触和观点。假如咱们改编得不错,那些了解这本书的观众会说,即便你们做了改动,但这便是我读这本书时的感觉。这是咱们改编过程中觉得最重要的作业。
界面文娱:完结这部电影大约需求多长时间?
克里斯·桑德斯:我参加的电影抱负的完结时间大约是3到4年——我能有比较富余的时间完结项目,但也要保证发展坚持动力,不会无止境地去修正之前的内容。
界面文娱:在雁群迁徙的场景中,大雁穿越云层的光线改动、景色和岛屿在不一起节的光线,都渲染得十分美丽。在制造阶段是否遇到了技能上的困难?
克里斯·桑德斯:从我的视点来看,全部都发展得十分顺畅。由于咱们的艺术家们十分优异。我很快乐你说到颜色和光线的问题,我之前对这部分是有焦虑的,期望观众能感触到迁徙开端的时间很早。
我记住在佛罗里达作业的那些早晨,晨雾是黎明前仅有能看到的。所以假如画面从地上开端,太阳还没照到地上,地上上的全部是绿的和蓝的,一旦他们起飞,阳光照射到他们身上,身上就会打上橙色的光,这意味着小布点儿已经在路上了,我期望在那个时间,观众能有一种在离别一个行将脱离的朋友或亲属的感觉。
界面文娱:那一刻的音乐十分激烈。
克里斯·桑德斯:我很快乐你说到这一点。作曲家克里斯·鲍尔斯(Chris Bowers)在这部电影扮演了重要人物。影片有大约50%的对话量,电影中有许多时间没有对白,是我有意为之,由于我喜爱在电影中让音乐构建起电影的“房子”。在某些当地,我让人物停下来,音乐变成了电影的声响。
我之前从未与克里斯协作过。但这部影片制造过程中,我和他每周见一次,碰头次数比其他任何作业人员都多。90分钟的电影中,他有大约80分钟的音乐要写。他做得十分超卓,他是整个电影中最重要的声响之一。
界面文娱:片中没有出现重要的实在人类人物,但荒岛本来也是动物间以强凌弱的森林社会,也可视为对实际人类国际的描写。您在影片中有没有投射对人类社会的反思和焦虑?
克里斯·桑德斯:肯定的,尽管岛上住着动物,但我把它们看作是人类。由于它们有自己的特性和情感,也都是由十分有才调的艺人配音诠释的。
我很享用赋予人物们不同的性情,不期望人物过分可猜测,他们要有激烈的特性,但这并不意味着他们有必要是二维的。比方狐狸芬克,他的特性其实很明显,但在电影的某个时间,他提醒了自己另一面。这也是我在一部(上世纪)40、50年代庖莱和哈代发明的喜剧电影启示下,取得的人物刻画的方法。
界面文娱: 萝斯开端是严厉按自己的程序设定行事的,但最终,她扯烂了自己的内部结构,依然保有对小布点儿和朋友们的回忆。这个结局是否切合实际,是否有抱负主义的加工?
克里斯·桑德斯:这对我来说很实在,我喜爱萝斯和小布点儿之间的联络,特别是他们在一一起,总有一种奇特的感觉,我以为当你和或人树立联络时,这种联络会逾越了你对国际固有的认知和了解。那个时间的含义在于,她不再需求电源,由于她通过这段联络得到了她所需求的全部。
界面文娱: 你以为机器人能有自己的情感吗?
克里斯·桑德斯:我觉得有。在加州的圣塔莫尼卡,有许多这种小机器人送货,我也会对这些东西投射情感。每逢我看到这些小机器人单独在街道上行进时,我都有点想哭,想停下车去协助它,保证没有人打扰它,不让它走失或跌倒。我还有一个小型的机器人吸尘器,我也觉得它是活的。
界面文娱:或许你把自己的爱情投射到了机器人身上。
克里斯·桑德斯:肯定是。这也是咱们没有给萝斯规划嘴巴的原因之一,由于我以为这让观众能够更有效地将自己的爱情投射到她身上。
界面文娱:《张狂原始人2》讨论了原始人与文明人之间的磕碰,《驯龙高手》同样是人类对动物的驯化。在《荒野机器人》中,咱们也能看到一个高度科技化的未来人类社会,与充溢野性和爱的荒岛之间的对立。你为什么特别重视这类主题?
克里斯·桑德斯:这些故事的出现对我来说有点命运。我喜爱那些包含奇特或梦想生物的故事,它们看起来很风趣。在《驯龙高手》中,咱们发明了许多古怪的动物,设定了一个训练场,还有一条很棒的龙。这与我小时候喜爱画画有关,我喜爱画动物,由于我小时候没有拥有过宠物,所以我倾向于将动物加入到电影中。
界面文娱:关于动物与人类之间的对立,你为什么专心于这个主题?
克里斯·桑德斯:这是我参加的每一部电影中都会出现的一个主题。我的搭档汤姆·施梅彻(其时迪士尼作业室的担任人)曾告知我,动物在某种程度上对咱们来说是外星人。
我从未忘掉这句话。我觉得这或许是为什么人类与动物的联络充溢抵触和能量的原因。动物国际对咱们充溢吸引力,但咱们实际上并不归于那里。咱们有时会失掉对这种联络的认知。
所以,在动画电影中企图从头树立这种链接,是十分引人入胜的。这解说了为什么我喜爱身边有动物,由于链接在这个国际上十分重要。
界面文娱: 包含这部电影在内,全部好的好莱坞电影都合适全部年纪段的人观看,而不仅是孩子们,你是怎样做到的?
克里斯·桑德斯:我很早就学到,最好的方法便是尽量不把任何观众阻隔在外。咱们能够讲任何咱们想讲的很困难或很杂乱的故事,纷歧定非要把作业简化到让小孩都能彻底了解。
由于我记住小时候看电影电视剧时,我也并不了解全部的细节,但那也没联络。或许它给我留了一些东西,让我今后能够去揣摩。所以发明者要讲你想讲的故事,并尽量不去阻隔任何年纪的观众。别的,电影制造人也要为自己发明,咱们算是大孩子,咱们永久不会彻底长大。我觉得这也是动画电影能成功的原因之一。
界面文娱:你最早是作为编剧入行的,后来也为多部电影配音,《驯龙高手》开端您逐步担任导演一职。这个改动是怎样产生的?
克里斯·桑德斯:对,我是《美人与野兽》的故事编剧之一。但我最早取得职业肯定是作为《花木兰》的编剧,由于我写了足够多的对话。《星际宝物》是我与大卫·斯蒂尔合写的,后来咱们还协作了《驯龙高手》。
《花木兰》我投入了十分多尽力,作业室知道到我或许有潜力做一名动画导演,这是我第一次被供给导演职位。我很快意识到,故事部分才是我锻炼技艺的当地。由于在迪士尼,我能与一些国际上最好的编剧协作。我意识到,当自己转向编剧和导演时,最好的方法依然是专心于故事。
界面文娱:这个过程中你遇到最大的应战是什么?
克里斯·桑德斯:最让我忧虑是,我不是动画师,也没有相关的布景,我要怎样去辅导他们?我很快意识到,我不需求给他人分配详细的使命,只需求告知他们故事是什么,让他们去做他们的作业。
我想保证的是,当把一个场景交给动画师时,假如他们出现的成果和我脑筋预设的纷歧样,但到达了方针,那就完结了。由于我彻底不想在他人的专业范畴辅导他们怎样做。他们最大极限地展示自己艺术才干,我就做我最拿手的东西——专心于故事自身。
界面文娱:但你有必要在一个老练的作业室,和你信赖的发明者一同,才干到达这种状况。
克里斯·桑德斯:我还不能谈太多这部电影中的发明者。我很走运能与一些最优异的艺术家协作。比方咱们的制造规划师拉蒙,他为这部电影找到了视觉风格。
我主要与拉蒙交流,他会与全部的画家、规划师和工程师交流,完成咱们想要的东西。这些人自身也是导演,通过信赖他们、赋予他们权利并不阻碍他们,反而你会得到最好的著作。
界面文娱:怎样坚持画面精巧,一起高效推动叙事,你有没有什么阅历共享?
克里斯·桑德斯:不断进行许多试错和修正。坦率地说,咱们做了许多测验,进行了许多迭代。人们总是想知道你在电影的编排中做了什么,由于动画电影不需求像在实景拍照中那样删减镜头。动画电影所能做的便是不断测验,改动节奏这之类的作业。通过许多的测验和过错,不断迭代,直到你觉得叙事在一个很舒畅的节奏上。
界面文娱:在迪士尼和梦工场的作业有什么不同?
克里斯·桑德斯:风趣的是,这两家公司更多是有许多相似之处。由于艺术家们经常在不同的作业室之间活动。每个作业室都有自己特定的风格,但我觉得梦工场有一点特别,他们没有所谓的“公司风格”。
迪士尼形成了一种强的风格,我也很喜爱。相比之下,梦工场则会测验更具改动和立异的风格,有更多样化的规划和视觉风格,他们的构思性也很强。《荒野机器人》的视觉作用如此不同,我以为梦工场是仅有一个能够制造这部电影的作业室。
界面文娱:你在动画电影职业作业了30多年,你以为最大的改动是什么?
克里斯·桑德斯:肯定是技能的改动。我刚开端作业时,全部都是手绘的,后来有了CG技能,这改动了全部。尽管咱们取得了许多新的东西,但也失掉了一些难以代替的手艺感。
例如,树木从手绘的美丽画作,变成了不计其数片叶子的调集,制造这样的作用是一个应战。尽管咱们现在能够画出更具印象派风格的树木和叶子,但技能的改动让咱们阅历了许多困难。我坚持将手绘融入到动画的发明中去,即便这是一种冒险,但我不想抛弃。
界面文娱:你有没有看过中国动画电影?
克里斯·桑德斯:风趣的是,我最近的确在看中国动画电影。我昨日在看《长安三万里》,看了两个小时,觉得结局大约能猜到,但我仍是刻不容缓地想要持续看下去。
界面文娱:你会觉得这部电影节奏比较慢吗?
克里斯·桑德斯:尽管我传闻这部电影很长,但我并没有觉得它磨蹭。我觉得编排和节奏十分棒,台词也很棒,人物规划也很超卓。电影的构建方法十分奇妙,在处理战役和其他情节时很聪明,会让我一向想知道最终会产生什么。我真的很投入,乃至到了吃饭时间门铃响了我都没有听到。
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